A Warning to the Unbeliever

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A Warning to the Unbeliever

#1 Post by FranktheFrank » 11 Jun 2019, 11:45

Revelation 21:8

"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers
and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part
will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

Israel "Izzy" Folau, Australia's famous rugby wing has just been dismissed from
the Australian Rugby team for posting a warning about he danger of unbelief.
It is reported that he has posted on twitter a warning to the immoral which
includes homosexuals warning about hell, he used a biblical verse and that
has gotten him into hot water and cost him his job and probably millions
of dollars. Israel Folau is now taking legal action against his former employer.

We in the Western world used to give assent to the King of Kings as ruler
of the universe, it was part of our culture, our heritage and all children
were expected to be brought up in that faith, that Jesus Christ is the King
of Kings, ruler of this universe, creator and one with God in a Trinity that
is far beyond human understanding. And not just in the Western world
but throughout the world as colonialism and Empire spread. Sometimes
that message was forced upon people as with the Spanish on the peoples
of South America and the Spanish were as barbaric as the early Indian
people of that continent who practiced child sacrifice. In the case of
North America, the USA and Canada he immigrants took their religion to
their new home. In the case of India the British allowed missionaries to roam
that sub continent, but largely left the people choose and practice their
original faith except to do away with some evil practices such as the Khali
cult that killed and murdered in the name of some god, the British also
criminalised the evil of burning the widow after the husband had died.
The British were not perfect in their rule of India and many practices
of their were not ideal, sometimes people suffered and sometimes people
died, there were instances of blood shed on the innocent.

On the whole Christianity has been a blessing to the world, the crusades
of the 11th century were cruel and I doubt Christ was presented properly
if anything is done cruelly and wickedly in His name it cannot be right
as Christ promotes peace and love always, by His example we know this.
No all the cruel things done throughout history by men in His name
have been undertaken by wicked men, men inflamed with hatred, their
hearts black with evil, this cannot be of Christ because He is the bringer
of a better testament in His blood.

So strong was the Christian faith in our culture that parliaments all around
the world start off their day with prayer to HIm. School assemblies too start
with praise and prayer, the Boy Scout movement and a myriad other organisations
begin their meetings in prayer and with hymns of praise.

Not all who sing and pretend to pray are believers, they are those who give lip
service only. They are only using the norm to get ahead, that is recognised
by true believers, it's what it is. The problem these days is that the unbelievers
outnumber the believers, maybe they always have, and now the world has turned
back to pre-Christian days. Now, pornography is allowed, homosexuality, abortion,
divorce is common where the long serving wife is discarded for a new more
attractive wife, child abuse is common throughout the Western world, and in the
3rd world slavery is a huge problem. To say publicly that one opposes such practices
brings down the anger of the liberal crowd, the anything goes crowd. Christians are
scorned, people turn their back on their own culture and faith and take up Eastern
religions thinking their religion is better, more with-it, in vogue. Poets write about
the face of God found in a toilet bowl, openly mock Him, He who has never hurt
a soul, a man who cured the blind and spoke for the weak and the outcast of
society, He who is God Himself. if a poet mentions God at all some will turn on
the poet and snarl: Christian as if it is a crime to believe in a God who is perfectly
holy and pure of all sin. And the Christian is under instruction not to respond to
such evil and hatred, he is to love his neighbour as himself. Seemingly a
can't win scenario. That is how the world sees it, the Christian knows He is loved
by God and it is what God thinks of him that matters. So to suffer in this life
is a blessing to the believer, because in this suffering God stores up unmeasurable
treasures in heaven to those who suffer in His cause. So far from being a no-win
scenario we are assured we are a people, a peculiar people, who just cannot fail
if we stay true to His commandments. And His commandments are summed up simply
by: love God with all our hearts and love our neighbour as ourselves. Jesus said
there is no greater love than to lay down ones life for ones friends, and He has done
that, turn against Him and there will be a price to pay.

I remember one Indian lady saying in a forum, I must get with the modern trend about
speaking of homosexuality. She turned her back on her own faith to accommodate her
being in a liberal poetry forum. See how insidious sin is, it makes right wrong,
and wrong right. Another poet said you are pushing religion down our throats, well he
doesn't have to read it, the same as I don't have to read of foreign gods. Another poet
said I should not write about faith in this Palaver Thread, but I suppose he thinks
it okay to write about God seen in a toilet bowl. Either there is free speech
in a democracy or not. You cannot have poets writing about the minutest detail of
homosexual coupling and then complain if someone says it is wrong according to
scripture.

Poets and writers should of all people be tolerant and allow freedom of speech
as long as no hatred is taught.

Ieuan ap Hywel
08:44 - 11/06/2019

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Re: A Warning to the Believer

#2 Post by Kenneth2816 » 11 Jun 2019, 20:27

January 11, 1927

The great Ghandi said, " I like your Christ but not your Christianity." He read the bible daily, studied it.

See, anyone can claim Christianity. The people who controlled India and exploited her did. Ghandi said Christians are the most war-like people .

The bible *never* teaches that Christ should be imposed on unbelievers. History teaches that those who are the loudest about their faith are in fact the weakest.

You see it everyday in TV. John taught that the TRUE enemies of Christianity are false Christians. These are the dogmatic, pompous, self assured who believe it is their job to gleefully send people to hell. You can tell who they are by the absolute lack of love, acceptance of others, and the inability to resist launching into diatribes.

Jesus said "one day you will call on me and say, "Did we not teach in your name ?" "I will say "get away from me, I never knew you."

I can think of nothing more deserving of scorn than a man who hides his bigotry behind the name of God.

If there is a heaven where such a petty and specious soul can go, I surely want no part in it.

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Re: A Warning to the Unbeliever

#3 Post by Kenneth2816 » 13 Jun 2019, 21:42

I remember one Indian lady saying in a forum, I must get with the modern trend about
speaking of homosexuality. She turned her back on her own faith to accommodate her
being in a liberal poetry forum. See how insidious sin is, it makes right wrong,
and wrong right. Another poet said you are pushing religion down our throats, well he
doesn't have to read it, the same as I don't have to read of foreign gods. Another poet
said I should not write about faith in this Palaver Thread, but I suppose he thinks
it okay to write about God seen in a toilet bowl. Either there is free speech
in a democracy or not. You cannot have poets writing about the minutest detail of
homosexual coupling and then complain if someone says it is
Poets and writers should of all people be tolerant and allow freedom of speech
as long as no hatred is taught



Dear Frank

Upon further reflection, the above is you calling out your fellow poets by proxy, even diminishing the faith of "one Indian lady". I almost want to say " who do you think you are?" But the larger question is who YOU think WE are.

I don't know you. What you are doing is not normal. In fact, I question your mental health. But I don't question your motive. You are not morally superior. Unlike you. I call you out without innuendo. Clearly as you have indicated, calling you out only seems to deepen the conviction that your inane posturing somehow. I don't know, makes you a better Christian? It would appear that others have attempted to address this with you civilly.

Quite frankly, Frank, I seriously think you should talk to someone about your compulsion. I'm not attacking your faith. I'm not attacking your belief. I'm simply saying you show classic symptoms of grandiosity and paranoia.

I wish you well ,but in all candor. I'm both concerned and embarrassed for you. You do seem to struggle with accepting the world as it is and feel it's your job to change it the way you think it ought to be.

PS, I think the poems about "foreign gods"are an opportunity to learn about a culture I'll never otherwise see.

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