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Re: Author Salon Mission Statement

#1 Post by Leekaplan » 27 Jun 2014, 15:46

I'm just now populating this thread to discuss the move on Author Salon towards the novel writing program.

I've put out a call to some other users to stop by and weigh in.

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Re: Author Salon Mission Statement

#2 Post by Somberwoman » 28 Jun 2014, 22:32

The AS peer and pro escorted me into the Editor Suite part of the website just recently, and I've learned a lot from the whole process. Right now I'm studying the Author Salon Novel Writing Program syllabus and seriously considering jumping in. It's complex and detailed enough to convince me. I've seen nothing like it elsewhere.
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Re: Author Salon Mission Statement

#3 Post by HoffmanB » 29 Jun 2014, 15:50

Do it, SW. I joined up months ago and made it to module 7 in the first part. I'm rewriting a huge novel chunk then rebooting.

It's too bad we don't live on chat forums like the hyperbolic chat type you find at Agent Query or those other boards. We could share work and chatter. But would it be worth it or a useless time suck?

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Re: Author Salon Mission Statement

#4 Post by Merrywithginger » 30 Jun 2014, 02:14

TIME SUCK!!! Don't do it. If I spent hour after hour on chat forums I would get nothing done and turn into a gross toad from lack of exercise.

btw, the publications are piling up: www.authorsalon.com/news/

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Re: Author Salon Mission Statement

#5 Post by Loebeekay » 30 Jun 2014, 02:57

Wasn't Wendy Eckel in the Algonkian program with Michael Neff before Author Salon?

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Re: Author Salon Mission Statement

#6 Post by MichaelNeffWriter » 30 Jun 2014, 03:07

Loebeekay wrote:Wasn't Wendy Eckel in the Algonkian program with Michael Neff before Author Salon?
I was just lurking when I saw this. Wendy attended one of the Algonkian novel workshops and I worked with her off and on for two years until she joined Author Salon. Her editor at Thomas Dunne has changed the title to make it sound like a quiet British cozy and it's making me crazy.

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Re: Author Salon Mission Statement

#7 Post by Elizabeth » 30 Jun 2014, 13:44

Heyyyy! Good to be back at the old WB!!!

I'm happy to report my narcissist plague has evaporated and I've been N free for over a year. Also, have trudged and roared through all sixteen modules in the author salon nw program and at first I was dubious of the narrative assignment value (I think because I was rebelling at the work), but between Chuck P. and Alice H. my style has elevated to floor 86. More rewrites too, always more rewrites. If I could impart anything of value I'd say to newbie authors: REWRITES ARE YOUR BEST FRIEND AND IT'S ALL GOING TO TAKE MUCH LONGER THAN YOU THINK.

And I just had to add this. Here is one of THE LAMEST articles I've read lately: Women are Destroying Science Fiction. It's written by the type of young feminist looking to create an issue where one doesn't exist. As a woman, it so irritates me because this kind of shit trivializes real issues by muddying the collective waters.

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Re: Author Salon Mission Statement

#8 Post by MichaelNeffWriter » 09 Jul 2014, 22:32

Elizabeth wrote:And I just had to add this. Here is one of the dumbest articles I've read lately: Women are Destroying Science Fiction. It's written by the type of young feminist looking to create an issue where one doesn't exist. As a woman, it so irritates me because this kind of shit trivializes real issues by muddying the collective waters.
I just posted this link on a NYC pitch alum forum. I can't say it's worth a discussion on the merits of the argument since it really isn't an argument at all, but a loose collection of unsupportable observations on the part of the poster. No gender of human species can or will "destroy" any literary genre. The ensuing discussion is interesting however.

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Re: Author Salon Mission and Discussion

#9 Post by Leekaplan » 10 Jul 2014, 02:18

Boy, this sure got off topic fast!

I don't blame you for posting that ridiculous SF thing, Liz, but I want to keep this thread on track for the sake of the other posters and program members. Using the WB here for this purpose is a benefit because we're all too nose to grindstone on Author Salon.

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Re: Author Salon Mission and Discussion

#10 Post by RLmacallister » 13 Jul 2014, 00:51

The issue for me right now are the three layers that Author Salon that Mr. Neff has included in the craft section. I see the usefulness of approach, and it makes me cringe to glance at the levels of cake I have to make and bake before the Iron Chef of Publication checks off (btw, I'm trying to be witty so bear with me lads and lasses), but I'm confused a bit. We have layers I, II, III. For Layer I it's obvious I must dwell on premise and plot points first, or I have nothing to hang the shirts on, but Layer II is scene construction and Layer III is craft, including multiple POVs.

Am I supposed to unravel the intricacies of scene and draft it before I consider proper POV? This is probably a really dumb question but I just want to make certain I am methodically moving forward. I've already wasted far too long on far too many novels that won't go anywhere; and I'm shocked to learn how little I knew.

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Re: Author Salon Mission and Discussion

#11 Post by ASuserChar » 13 Jul 2014, 04:54

RLmacallister wrote:The issue for me right now are the three layers that Author Salon that Mr. Neff has included in the craft section. I see the usefulness of approach, and it makes me cringe to glance at the levels of cake I have to make and bake before the Iron Chef of Publication checks off (btw, I'm trying to be witty so bear with me lads and lasses), but I'm confused a bit. We have layers I, II, III. For Layer I it's obvious I must dwell on premise and plot points first, or I have nothing to hang the shirts on, but Layer II is scene construction and Layer III is craft, including multiple POVs.
It's good to see you people again!

My impression is that the three layers are not steps, only methods of categorization, top to bottom.

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Re: Author Salon Mission and Discussion

#12 Post by MichaelNeffWriter » 16 Jul 2014, 19:16

ASuserChar wrote:My impression is that the three layers are not steps, only methods of categorization, top to bottom.
This is correct. You can decide on your POV before you scene sketch, or just the opposite. The main thing is to put the story first.

However, if the story is better served by 3POV (which most likely it is) then make that decision as early on as possible because the composition and utilization of your characters in the scenes and throughout the novel will be radically different with 3POV-multiple, as opposed to a first person treatment.

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